Posts by Nathan Natas

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DEATH: How have you prepared? Funeral, cremation, donate body to Science?

by TerryWalstrom in

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well, hell!.

i had dizzy spells and near-fainting and nausea for a few days, so why wouldn't i start thinking about death, ya know?.

am i just very lax in my responsibilities in having no plans at all?isn't that irresponsible?

Nathan Natas

MANY years ago I made arrangements that will cover my cremation because, you know, "time and unforeseen ocurance..."

I thought about the Tennessee Body Farm but decided no.

A person's decisions will (*might*?) be influenced by things like spouses, children, friends and family.

Note that I did not specify if those influences would be "positive" or "negative". Not that it matters a whole lot, 'cause we won't be here to witness the fallout of our decisions.

But I think it is POLITE to not leave a big ugly mess for anyone to clean up, literally or figuratively.

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May 22 1969 Awake!

by zeb in

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"if you are a young person you need to face the fact you will never grow old in this system of things.. why not?

because all the evidence in fulfilment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years...as a young person you will never fulfil any career that this system offers".

may 22 awake!

Nathan Natas

I was almost 19 when this bilge spilled onto those rags.

Otherwise, I could been somebody. I could been a contenda.

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Were YOU forced into a loveless marriage?

by Nathan Natas in

many young jw women are "married off" to virtual strangers, often older men, soon after they are of legal age.. did this happen to you?.

did it happen to a close friend or sibling?.

tell us about it.. from universal life ministries on facebook:.

Nathan Natas

I'm glad you escaped, Rebel8. I'm sure your life has been better as a result.

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So my husband got a letter

by Lost his mind in

so, he received a letter that i am wondering if it is one of those open letters that are out there to denote time given.

it starts out with the name of the person sending it, then goes into the spiel...do you know our god's name?

when i was shown what it is, i kind of got upset.

Nathan Natas

"...and God, by any other name,

would smell like feet."

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Were YOU forced into a loveless marriage?

by Nathan Natas in

many young jw women are "married off" to virtual strangers, often older men, soon after they are of legal age.. did this happen to you?.

did it happen to a close friend or sibling?.

tell us about it.. from universal life ministries on facebook:.

Nathan Natas

Yes, the "details" of such situations are difficult, if not impossible to know.

As I'm thinking about it, I can recall at least two such situations that I was aware of in the vicinity of my NYC congregation.

The first was the daughter of a new elder. This was during the post-1968 years. I knew the girl and her family. It seemed out of nowhere that she and a *much* older brother were "keeping company." Probably her father felt that it was silly for her to get involved with a guy near her age when this old guy could offer her security. She developed cancer and died tragically young. Too bad there'll be no resurrection for her.

The second was an odd situation. A guy who went to Bethel for a couple of years to avoid the US military draft started making the circuit of NYC congregations, obviously looking for a connection. This guy was at least a little bit of a narcissist, he didn't meet his "goals" in hours, etc, and seemed to have no interest in "reaching out" or building a career. He found a girl who was a few notches over what he was worth, but she was in a vulnerable situation. She went our with him because he was different from the other Bethelite Wolf-Men and he was interesting in some ways. Then her elders started talking some sense to her about why was she with this loser? She started having doubts and tried to end their engagement, and Brother "I'm a Bethelite!" BLACKMAILED her into going through with it, saying he would drag her to a judicial committee and get her disfellowshipped for "leading him on" and "toying with his affections!" So the got married. Brother Loser was unable to support his family and his wife in desperation to get out of the abusive marriage, had an affair.

She got disfellowshipped but ended up happy and he lives in a van down by the river, spiritually speaking.

There was another "elder's daughter" story similar to the first, but without the tragic ending. Young, attractive daughter, horny older "theocratic man," Dad shakes his hand and says "take her."

Daughters are the property of their fathers under Mosaic Law, right? ...and JWs are still under the Law, even though they might claim otherwise.

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Were YOU forced into a loveless marriage?

by Nathan Natas in

many young jw women are "married off" to virtual strangers, often older men, soon after they are of legal age.. did this happen to you?.

did it happen to a close friend or sibling?.

tell us about it.. from universal life ministries on facebook:.

Nathan Natas

Spiral, can you divulge any details of that situation?

Girl's age?

Guy's age?

Was the girl pleased with the situation?

Was the guy a bridge ogre or a Bethelite who had "manly NEEDS"?

How long did the relationship last?

Did love ever "come to town"?

It's OK to talk, it's just us...

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Were YOU forced into a loveless marriage?

by Nathan Natas in

many young jw women are "married off" to virtual strangers, often older men, soon after they are of legal age.. did this happen to you?.

did it happen to a close friend or sibling?.

tell us about it.. from universal life ministries on facebook:.

Nathan Natas

"The Listener" asked,

What is the suggested punishment for breaking this proposed law?

I don't know -- maybe being forced to try having a conversation with YOU?

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Were YOU forced into a loveless marriage?

by Nathan Natas in

many young jw women are "married off" to virtual strangers, often older men, soon after they are of legal age.. did this happen to you?.

did it happen to a close friend or sibling?.

tell us about it.. from universal life ministries on facebook:.

Nathan Natas

MANY young JW women are "married off" to virtual strangers, often older men, soon after they are of legal age.

Did this happen to you?

Did it happen to a close friend or sibling?

Tell us about it.

From Universal Life Ministries on FaceBook:

A young woman is forced to marry a man she does not love, and has no desire to be with. This deplorable practice continues to happen in less-developed countries, but is long gone in the U.S., right? Wrong, according to a startling new report by PBS – each year, thousands of American women and girls are forced into marriages against their will. Now, they are starting to speak out.

These marriages typically occur in close-knit, religiously conservative communities where young women have little control over their own lives. When a woman’s family decides it’s time for her to marry, they will find a suitable husband and arrange the marriage themselves. Several women shared their disturbing personal experiences in the report, describing the incredible pressure put on them to comply. Not wanting to upset their families, they agreed to go through with it.

To make matters worse, divorce is highly frowned upon in communities where forced marriages take place. This leaves many women stuck in miserable – and sometimes abusive – relationships, with few avenues for escape. Is it time to pass a law barring this oppressive tradition?

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1913 Brooklyn Tabernacle Tract

by wifibandit in

1913-brooklyn-tabernacle-tract.pdf.

thanks atlantis!.

Nathan Natas

C. T. Russell is listed as the Pastor.

M. C. Rutherford (the Judge's son) is listed as a Deacon.

This may have been during the period when "da Judge" had left the WTB&TS to run a company in Los Angeles. In 1916 "da Judge" got a telegraph reading "the old man is dead," and he took off for Broolyn like a jacked-up Jack Rabbit.

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1913 Brooklyn Tabernacle Tract

by wifibandit in

1913-brooklyn-tabernacle-tract.pdf.

thanks atlantis!.

Nathan Natas

Atlantis does GREAT work, but I want to offer a critique here, and I am making it public so that others can benefit from this insight.

If you look at the .pdf image from Atlantis, you will see that it displays an artifact that is known as "read-through." The images show BOTH sides of the page.

The way to fix this is counter-intuitive to many, and I expect at least one of the chimps here will tell me I'm WRONG without bothering to TRY the suggestion first. ...the "pearls before swine" effect.

Anyway, the way to ELIMINATE "read-through" when you are scanning a document is to put a sheet of BLACK paper behind (on top of) the original document, then scan the document.

You're welcome.